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]]> By: John Bonner http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/accenting-ambient-light-at-dark-receptions/comment-page-1#comment-1420 John Bonner Wed, 16 Sep 2009 05:38:53 +0000 http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/?p=4857#comment-1420 I agree with Dave, it would be nice to be able to dial a flash waaaaay down, 1/256th even, but I find the solution is just to place the strobes further away. If there set at 1/64th, or whatever your lowest setting is, you'll be getting pretty quick recycles. I agree with Dave, it would be nice to be able to dial a flash waaaaay down, 1/256th even, but I find the solution is just to place the strobes further away. If there set at 1/64th, or whatever your lowest setting is, you’ll be getting pretty quick recycles.

]]> By: Paul Meyer http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/accenting-ambient-light-at-dark-receptions/comment-page-1#comment-1417 Paul Meyer Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:21:54 +0000 http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/?p=4857#comment-1417 Unless you require the use a wide open lens for a limited depth of field look, you can use other techniques to achieve the look without the use of filters. The problem comes from the fact that you are shooting wide open at high ISO. I feel that by lowering your ISO, tightening your aperture, and adjusting your shutter speed you would limit the amount of light that the flash contributes to the overall scene. It's similar to the technique that Ed Pingol uses in direct sunlight.... Low ISO(200), tight aperture(f22) and direct flash combine to overcome direct sunlight in the scene and making the flash into a directional light source. Plus, I doubt many clients want a lot of images like your example. It looks like a candle lit scene.... without the candle. That's what I feel you are doing.... adding a candle in the form of a flash on their table to achieve your "look". Why not add the candle and be done with it. just my humble opinion. YMMV Unless you require the use a wide open lens for a limited depth of field look, you can use other techniques to achieve the look without the use of filters. The problem comes from the fact that you are shooting wide open at high ISO. I feel that by lowering your ISO, tightening your aperture, and adjusting your shutter speed you would limit the amount of light that the flash contributes to the overall scene. It’s similar to the technique that Ed Pingol uses in direct sunlight….
Low ISO(200), tight aperture(f22) and direct flash combine to overcome direct sunlight in the scene and making the flash into a directional light source.

Plus, I doubt many clients want a lot of images like your example. It looks like a candle lit scene…. without the candle. That’s what I feel you are doing…. adding a candle in the form of a flash on their table to achieve your “look”.

Why not add the candle and be done with it.

just my humble opinion. YMMV

]]> By: Dave Cheung http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/accenting-ambient-light-at-dark-receptions/comment-page-1#comment-1412 Dave Cheung Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:58:37 +0000 http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/?p=4857#comment-1412 Love your writing style Matt :) Paul: Brett's on the money. The trick is balancing existing light; not overpowering it. kckong: I had Nikon send me *every* flash they currently make. Unfortunately there's deficiencies for them all and even cheapo 3rd party flashes are too powerful for the light levels mentioned above. This doesn't even mention the fact that recycle times with these smaller flashes are NOT be usable for the average pro wedding photographer. Brett: 3-stop ND helps, but there's a mired shift (i.e. images turn funky blue-gray) with ND's, so I'm compensating for that by slapping 2 more gels to warm them up to balance the super-orange tungsten. You & George are right though: it's a long-shot, but even if Nikon & Canon just allowed smaller pops of flash, it would be great. Would be even nicer if they somehow auto-warmed the flash color when dialing it down :) For now, it's a great way to set ourselves apart since the price of entry is a big pain when dealing with current limitations. Blessings y'all ... d Love your writing style Matt :)

Paul: Brett’s on the money. The trick is balancing existing light; not overpowering it.

kckong: I had Nikon send me *every* flash they currently make. Unfortunately there’s deficiencies for them all and even cheapo 3rd party flashes are too powerful for the light levels mentioned above. This doesn’t even mention the fact that recycle times with these smaller flashes are NOT be usable for the average pro wedding photographer.

Brett: 3-stop ND helps, but there’s a mired shift (i.e. images turn funky blue-gray) with ND’s, so I’m compensating for that by slapping 2 more gels to warm them up to balance the super-orange tungsten.

You & George are right though: it’s a long-shot, but even if Nikon & Canon just allowed smaller pops of flash, it would be great. Would be even nicer if they somehow auto-warmed the flash color when dialing it down :)

For now, it’s a great way to set ourselves apart since the price of entry is a big pain when dealing with current limitations.

Blessings y’all …

d

]]> By: George Natis http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/accenting-ambient-light-at-dark-receptions/comment-page-1#comment-1405 George Natis Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:56:55 +0000 http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/?p=4857#comment-1405 I dont know if its a technical problem but future designs should consider lower levels like 1/256, 1/512 and 1/1024. Just a kiss of light which shall be possible IMHO. HighIsos are improved but the manufacturers forget about their flashes being too powerful at those levels. I dont know if its a technical problem but future designs should consider lower levels like 1/256, 1/512 and 1/1024. Just a kiss of light which shall be possible IMHO. HighIsos are improved but the manufacturers forget about their flashes being too powerful at those levels.

]]> By: brett maxwell http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/accenting-ambient-light-at-dark-receptions/comment-page-1#comment-1403 brett maxwell Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:26:35 +0000 http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/?p=4857#comment-1403 Paul, lowering your ISO doesn't help as it also lowers the ambient light. The answer to that is to slow your shutter speed to capture more ambient, but if you want to avoid motion blur and ghosting you can only go so low. I doubt the manufacturers would create the desired flash for such a small market, though it would be nice if they simply added lower and lower powers to the next generation of their existing units. My current solution is to use a 3-stop ND gel, and this has always given me enough flexibility at low powers while using 1/128, 1/64 and 1/32 powers on the flash, which become 1/1024, 1/512, and 1/256. (Sidenote, if we get lower powers in our flashes, the numbering system may need to change as I think the exponential increases starts getting cumbersome beyond 1/64.) Paul, lowering your ISO doesn’t help as it also lowers the ambient light. The answer to that is to slow your shutter speed to capture more ambient, but if you want to avoid motion blur and ghosting you can only go so low.

I doubt the manufacturers would create the desired flash for such a small market, though it would be nice if they simply added lower and lower powers to the next generation of their existing units.

My current solution is to use a 3-stop ND gel, and this has always given me enough flexibility at low powers while using 1/128, 1/64 and 1/32 powers on the flash, which become 1/1024, 1/512, and 1/256. (Sidenote, if we get lower powers in our flashes, the numbering system may need to change as I think the exponential increases starts getting cumbersome beyond 1/64.)

]]> By: kckong http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/accenting-ambient-light-at-dark-receptions/comment-page-1#comment-1402 kckong Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:25:05 +0000 http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/?p=4857#comment-1402 what paul said plus drag shutter + sb400 or whatever cheapo low powered flash?? what paul said plus drag shutter + sb400 or whatever cheapo low powered flash??

]]> By: Paul Meyer http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/accenting-ambient-light-at-dark-receptions/comment-page-1#comment-1400 Paul Meyer Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:42:39 +0000 http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/?p=4857#comment-1400 Lower your ISO. Lower your ISO.

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