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	<title>Comments on: Did This Photographer Abuse &#8220;Fair Use&#8221; Laws?</title>
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		<title>By: Todd L Church</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/did-this-photographer-abuse-fair-use-laws/comment-page-1#comment-4255</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd L Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification Jim.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Karczewski</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/did-this-photographer-abuse-fair-use-laws/comment-page-1#comment-4252</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Karczewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd-

    Re: Photography &amp; National Parks.  You ONLY need a permit IF: 

1. The activity takes place at location(s) where or when members of the public are generally not allowed; or

2.  The activity uses model(s), sets(s), or prop(s) that are not a part of the location’s natural or cultural resources or administrative facilities; or

3. Park would incur additional administrative costs to monitor the activity. 

Weddings I&#039;m pretty sure fall under #2 there, so it&#039;s the photographers bad for not getting a permit.  However, you can walk into any National Park and take a picture and turn around and sell it.  However, interfere with the normal process of things and you need permits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd-</p>
<p>    Re: Photography &amp; National Parks.  You ONLY need a permit IF: </p>
<p>1. The activity takes place at location(s) where or when members of the public are generally not allowed; or</p>
<p>2.  The activity uses model(s), sets(s), or prop(s) that are not a part of the location’s natural or cultural resources or administrative facilities; or</p>
<p>3. Park would incur additional administrative costs to monitor the activity. </p>
<p>Weddings I&#8217;m pretty sure fall under #2 there, so it&#8217;s the photographers bad for not getting a permit.  However, you can walk into any National Park and take a picture and turn around and sell it.  However, interfere with the normal process of things and you need permits.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Pauquette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Pauquette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an interview with the sculptor:

http://seattlest.com/2010/02/04/more_on_the_dance_steps_on_broadway_1.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interview with the sculptor:</p>
<p><a href="http://seattlest.com/2010/02/04/more_on_the_dance_steps_on_broadway_1.php" rel="nofollow">http://seattlest.com/2010/02/04/more_on_the_dance_steps_on_broadway_1.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Todd L Church</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/did-this-photographer-abuse-fair-use-laws/comment-page-1#comment-4239</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd L Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I think you are missing the point. 

There is no reason why you can&#039;t use the work as a background in a photograph. Actually you are probably okay using it for a wedding and selling one copy to the bride and groom. However, I do know someone who was photographing a wedding in a National Park and they received a ticket for not having the proper photography license. 

If you plan to use a recognizable building in a photo and place that photo on a *stock photography website* then you are required to have a release from the owner. 

Fair use comes into play when you are talking about a travel brochure of some sort. That would fall under &quot;comment&quot; in the following section. It&#039;s also the way &quot;news&quot; magazines get away with using a celebrity&#039;s image to sell a magazine. You could not take a photo of Brittney Spears, for instance, and make a poster to sell but you can take her photo and sell a magazine based on that image. 

&quot;Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I think you are missing the point. </p>
<p>There is no reason why you can&#8217;t use the work as a background in a photograph. Actually you are probably okay using it for a wedding and selling one copy to the bride and groom. However, I do know someone who was photographing a wedding in a National Park and they received a ticket for not having the proper photography license. </p>
<p>If you plan to use a recognizable building in a photo and place that photo on a *stock photography website* then you are required to have a release from the owner. </p>
<p>Fair use comes into play when you are talking about a travel brochure of some sort. That would fall under &#8220;comment&#8221; in the following section. It&#8217;s also the way &#8220;news&#8221; magazines get away with using a celebrity&#8217;s image to sell a magazine. You could not take a photo of Brittney Spears, for instance, and make a poster to sell but you can take her photo and sell a magazine based on that image. </p>
<p>&#8220;Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that really goes beyond the pale. If the sculpture were in some private museum where people pay to get in, it would be one thing. In this instance, though, the artist was already paid for his work, and it was put on display in a public space. 

Next they&#039;ll say architects like me should get royalties for our work when someone takes a picture of it and puts it in their pictorial travel guide. Sculpture and architecture are often done on a fee for service basis. Photography is a fee per use. These two areas really aren&#039;t comparable traditionally or logically. Short of their being an obvious sign prohibiting photographs of the work, there is no way for a photographer to reason not to use the available environment as a background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that really goes beyond the pale. If the sculpture were in some private museum where people pay to get in, it would be one thing. In this instance, though, the artist was already paid for his work, and it was put on display in a public space. </p>
<p>Next they&#8217;ll say architects like me should get royalties for our work when someone takes a picture of it and puts it in their pictorial travel guide. Sculpture and architecture are often done on a fee for service basis. Photography is a fee per use. These two areas really aren&#8217;t comparable traditionally or logically. Short of their being an obvious sign prohibiting photographs of the work, there is no way for a photographer to reason not to use the available environment as a background.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd L Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd L Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another example for comparison. Christo, the artist, created a public project in New York called &quot;the gates.&quot; 

http://www.christojeanneclaude.net/tg.shtml

You could have taken as many photos of that as you wished but you could not sell them as long as people could recognize it as the artists work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another example for comparison. Christo, the artist, created a public project in New York called &#8220;the gates.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.christojeanneclaude.net/tg.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.christojeanneclaude.net/tg.shtml</a></p>
<p>You could have taken as many photos of that as you wished but you could not sell them as long as people could recognize it as the artists work.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd L Church</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalweddingforum.com/blog/did-this-photographer-abuse-fair-use-laws/comment-page-1#comment-4230</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd L Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a lawyer but it seems to me that this could go either way. The problem isn&#039;t that Hipple posted the image on a social network site like Facebook. That would be fair use in my opinion. The problem arose when he posted the image for sale on a stock photography site.

I live in Michigan and Michigan State University is located nearby. I can go to MSU anytime and photograph whatever I wish and freely post the pictures on Flickr or Facebook. 

I cannot take photos of the Beaumont Tower or Spartan Stadium and set up a website to sell the images. In that case I could be sued for copyright infringement. Even posting the images on my portfolio could be construed as advertising. I also can&#039;t go to a national park or many zoos and photograph the area with intent to sell the images. 

I think the court will need to determine, &quot;The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work.&quot;

Did Hipple&#039;s use of the copyrighted artwork result in sales of $60,000 or more? Did those sales hurt or hinder Mackie&#039;s ability to sell images of his work?

Anyway. I am not a lawyer. Just throwing out my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a lawyer but it seems to me that this could go either way. The problem isn&#8217;t that Hipple posted the image on a social network site like Facebook. That would be fair use in my opinion. The problem arose when he posted the image for sale on a stock photography site.</p>
<p>I live in Michigan and Michigan State University is located nearby. I can go to MSU anytime and photograph whatever I wish and freely post the pictures on Flickr or Facebook. </p>
<p>I cannot take photos of the Beaumont Tower or Spartan Stadium and set up a website to sell the images. In that case I could be sued for copyright infringement. Even posting the images on my portfolio could be construed as advertising. I also can&#8217;t go to a national park or many zoos and photograph the area with intent to sell the images. </p>
<p>I think the court will need to determine, &#8220;The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did Hipple&#8217;s use of the copyrighted artwork result in sales of $60,000 or more? Did those sales hurt or hinder Mackie&#8217;s ability to sell images of his work?</p>
<p>Anyway. I am not a lawyer. Just throwing out my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its item #3 of the Fair Use law linked that is probably going to save him.
&quot;The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole &quot;

Assuming the photos in fact do only show the work partially and the fact the work was paid for with public funds there isn&#039;t really a case. If I bought a piece of art work and photographed it, as millions of people do, I wouldn&#039;t be violating copyright. This art work was bought by the people of Seattle, making Mike a de facto owner, as a resident of Seattle. If an owner photographing art is in violation of copyright then every auction house, museum and anyone else except the artist is violating copyright. Furthermore, the photographer didn&#039;t create a copy of the footprints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its item #3 of the Fair Use law linked that is probably going to save him.<br />
&#8220;The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole &#8221;</p>
<p>Assuming the photos in fact do only show the work partially and the fact the work was paid for with public funds there isn&#8217;t really a case. If I bought a piece of art work and photographed it, as millions of people do, I wouldn&#8217;t be violating copyright. This art work was bought by the people of Seattle, making Mike a de facto owner, as a resident of Seattle. If an owner photographing art is in violation of copyright then every auction house, museum and anyone else except the artist is violating copyright. Furthermore, the photographer didn&#8217;t create a copy of the footprints.</p>
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